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Post by Oomtom on Feb 18, 2018 15:28:59 GMT
Nice point Edwood, the " Linesman " let's call him that should be looking along the line but what if the play is near the one touchline and the possible " off-sider " is coming in from the opposite sideline, distance may become an issue.
Thought why don't we move this debate and suggestions to a seperate post for on-going debate.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2018 22:31:57 GMT
Ok, new thread created. but what if the play is near the one touchline and the possible " off-sider " is coming in from the opposite sideline, distance may become an issue. I would say if ALL match officials were truly active participants and 'linesmen' were a bit more proactive. As far as I can see the other 'linesmen' behind the goal - additional assistant referee (AAR) - do absolutely fuck all and are worse than pointless. Point being if you utilised all those bodies correctly you should have 99% of stuff covered. But as it stands the man in the middle is god and all the others pretty much defer to him, which is not always the right way to go. HERE'S one for ya, and I've thought this for years - a referee in both halves should at least be trialled if the speed of the game is too much for one referee to cover a pitch effectively for 90+ minutes. |
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Post by Oomtom on Feb 19, 2018 15:31:30 GMT
Need to think about that one Edwood.
As I understand it for the current offside rule Level is OK. This is I suppose as that gives each player the same advantage to recover or attack. But that in itself is wrong because the defender is most of the time facing the opposite direction to the attacker so has to turn to recover. So then the clear daylight option seems to be the answer or is it ?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2018 22:18:20 GMT
If you wanted to simplify the rule for the linesmen, then yes but you definitely tip the balance firmly in favour of attackers. Probably too far, maybe, dunno but I would definitely trial it.
I mean let's face it if they had stuck to the guideline rule of 'clear and obvious error' VAR should never have been called into play in the first place.
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Post by Oomtom on Feb 21, 2018 15:52:12 GMT
True Edwood, someone obviously wanting to gain advantage by being a yard or so behind the last defender is obviously trying it on but with a fast moving game I defy any player's timing to try and get a 12 inch advantage right to start with.
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Post by Dave on Apr 13, 2018 13:49:54 GMT
Video assistant referee: Premier League clubs vote against VAR for 2018-19 www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/43755203Hooray!  I really can’t be doing with it in all honesty, just doesn’t work in football for me as most incidents are subjective and will depend on the referee/dipstick in VAR room on the day plus the delays are a pain the arse. The implementation of it has been well.. pretty shit and still we’ve had several dodgy decisions with it in action. |
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Post by Dave on Aug 19, 2019 21:47:03 GMT
Thought the linesman was supposed to keep his flag down and wait for VAR, I’ve seen them waiting and also seen them raising over the past two weekends. Make your mind up.
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Post by Hammy on Aug 20, 2019 9:23:46 GMT
Think he raises his flag only if he's sure it's offside which makes sense because if not each game would last 2 hours waiting for VAR. Just had a look at the offside rule. Didn't know a player can't be offside directly from a goal kick.
Not sure about VAR myself. We already have goal line technology which I agree with because it doesn't stop the game the way VAR does. I think most managers agree that decisions even themselves out over the course of a season. 1mm offside is taking things too far. If there's an obvious error then yes play should be stopped and a free kick given.
I don't like this if the ball hits the arm of an attacking player and a goal is scored (shity v Spuds) a free kick is given rule but if a ball hits a defenders arm accidentally it's not a penalty. Has to be the same for both sides. Too many rules spoiling the enjoyment of football.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2019 10:18:13 GMT
(Merged the VAR thread in the other section with this one if you're wondering how it doubled in size)
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2019 10:20:34 GMT
Oh, and the implementation of VAR so far, is so off the hook lunatic it makes global politics look sane..ish.
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Post by Dave on Aug 20, 2019 20:49:05 GMT
Thanks for merging Ed, had a brief look for the VAR thread but forgot where it was.
Aye, I read up on it in the CL they are keeping it down and PL raising it, now I can understand if it’s a pretty clear offside like a few yards or so but Martial last night was well onside and I think there was one with Auba too but the flag went straight up. The handball rule is another one where it’s applied here differently just to confuse everyone, I don’t mind the attacking handball rule, hits the hand - no goal - simple. The defending team rule is still rather a grey area though and as you say not very fair. I’ve seen handball incidents for the defending team that VAR has just ignored but they’d likely be given elsewhere in Europe.
Still think the implementation of it could have been better maybe staggering the situations over a few years which would help the referee’s but it’s not been too bad so far, chalking off goals for Citeh is always good in my book. Obviously will be different live at the match and will likely dampen that experience.
Also don’t see why the rest of the English leagues don’t have it when pretty much the rest of the world does.
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Post by Dave on Aug 25, 2019 19:32:01 GMT
What is the point of VAR if you aren’t going to use it.
30 matches played so far and I don’t believe VAR has overruled a subjective decision once, so you are telling me the referee’s haven’t got anything wrong, absolute horseshit and a complete joke.
If they just wanted to use it for offsides and handballs then say that from the off.
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Post by Dave on Aug 25, 2019 19:46:05 GMT
Both feet off the ground, studs up, foot waist high, out of control, endangering the opponent... the list is endless. VAR = nothing doing  |
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Post by Dave on Sept 1, 2019 8:31:59 GMT
Another weekend of stonewall penalties and red cards not given. Cheers VAR |
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Post by Hammy on Sept 1, 2019 11:43:10 GMT
VARs there to help the referee but the powers that be are afraid to use it for fear of making the ref look bad, which doesn't make much sense because that's what it was brought in for. Refs are human and can make mistakes but if they don't want to use VAR to it's full affect then they should just get rid of it. At the minute it's just inciting fans to riot and one day it will push fans over the edge and we will see an increase in violence. Palace vs Villa as an example.
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