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Post by StrikerMo on Jan 18, 2015 12:27:27 GMT
You're complaining about a manager that's won just about everything there is to win- I'm just waiting to hear in your infinite wisdom who you think should/could have succeeded Moyes. SAF is gone- his era is over. The sooner we realize that there will never be another one like him we'll be better off. You're just whining for the sake of it. Who did you want? Mourinho? Klopp? Ancelotti? Guardiola? Simeone? ...Moyes??
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Post by StrikerMo on Jan 18, 2015 12:28:48 GMT
great response. I guess you are one of those fans that supports the manager because he's our manager and 'if' he gets dismissed/sacked, you will be saying, It doesn't really matter because he just ain't right for us. great response to a meaningless set of questions... funny thing- you've yet to answer mine. I'm one of those fans that you can't pigeon hole and put in a box or label because I don't care near enough about something that's so inconsequential in the big bad world of reality. My life isn't going to change dependent upon who the manager of Man United happens to be. Some people just always need something to complain about.
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Post by Splendid Spy on Jan 18, 2015 12:37:39 GMT
I just want a manager that plays football to the team's ability, not his own preference. I don't really care if it's LVG, pep, dick dastardly or daffy duck just as long as he knows what makes the team click.
Everyone can see his preferred 3-5-2 formation is not working and he still insists in using it... not because of the injuries. We had all our players back and we have enough players to play a back 4. LVG is just too big headed to admit he's wrong. It's his way or the highway. That what pisses most of us off.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2015 12:51:24 GMT
You're complaining about a manager that's won just about everything there is to win- I'm just waiting to hear in your infinite wisdom who you think should/could have succeeded Moyes. SAF is gone- his era is over. The sooner we realize that there will never be another one like him we'll be better off. You're just whining for the sake of it. Who did you want? Mourinho? Klopp? Ancelotti? Guardiola? Simeone? ...Moyes?? The part about Fergie is spot on, too many people are still expecting us to get back to the standards of his era, dominating English football and playing the exciting, blistering football that we remember. A lot of managers don't see football the way Fergie did, he was a gung ho manager, you score 3 and we'll just score 4. But after him there aren't an awful lot of top managers who see the game in the same way, ask Mourinho would he rather win 1-0 or 4-3 every week and he'd go for 1-0 every time. I think Van Gaal is in the same mould and he has definitely turned us into a better outfit this season. We are a solid and reliable team who are dominating possession in nearly every game and more often than not creating enough chances to get results in games, which is an improvement on last season. No side is going to beat Manchester United comfortably like they were doing last season. Ask Chelsea, City, Everton and Liverpool which United side was easier to play against the last 2 seasons... All this being done whilst losing the experience at the back that people said we wouldn't be able to replace, yet the defence this season looks much more solid despite struggling massively with injuries there all season. Just a massive overreaction over the last few weeks on here, the attacking football isn't as good as it could be, he's making a few questionable choices in his side but we are still well on course for a top 4 finish and are still one of the form horses in the division despite losing last week and getting a few away draws. To be questioning Van Gaal's future as manager is that absurd that I think it's ridiculous to say how absurd it is.
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Post by StrikerMo on Jan 18, 2015 12:55:47 GMT
That's two sensible posts I've read today. Surely must be some sort of record for this past month.
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Post by Dave on Jan 18, 2015 13:17:12 GMT
Who's calling for his head(besides Hammy)?
People are just pissed off with this 352 bollox.
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Post by Splendid Spy on Jan 18, 2015 13:33:59 GMT
exactly Dave. I am not calling for his head as well. I am just not happy with his stubbornness with his silly 3-5-2 formation. If he can adapt and change (Playing to the players' ability and not making players play his style) , I will be happy as well. It's just not working at the moment. Never did I say sack him...
and Doc, people have opinions as well. If we can't voice ours, what's the use of having a forum? We are discussing sensibly over here and you sound a little bitter when someone disagrees with you.
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Post by Hammy on Jan 18, 2015 13:52:15 GMT
I agree more with Doc that he was sacked because of infighting at his respective clubs although his style of play was brought into question more than once. I didn't want Moyes as manager because I didn't think he had the personality to be our manager but at the time I could see the wisdom is choosing him. He did relatively well at Everton with a limited budget so chances are he could do better at a club with an almost unlimited budget. Unfortunately it didn't work out I feel the same about Van Gaal. I just don't think his personality fits our club. Ego is (sometimes) a great trait to have as a manager or player. You just have to look at Mourinho to see what I'm talking about. Van Gaal has one of the biggest egos in football but (for me) the difference with him is he's far to rigid. Our style of play should mean the players expressing themselves but this is impossible to do when we have a control freak, sergeant major type at the helm. One thing VG has over Moyes is that he isn't afraid of controversy. Leaving Falcao out of the squad against Southampton proves that, stubbornly continually leaving Herrera out reiterates that. Most people look at his record and think he was the perfect man for the job without really knowing the man. The reason I was against his signing in the first place was because I have seen him in action first hand at his time at Barça. At the end it was like a circus with VG blaming everyone but himself for bad results and the continual fighting that was going on. If results go well we won't see that side of him but if the press keep badgering him which they will do if he keeps making stupid tactical decisions then I'm afraid we will see VG at his worst which will be in no way benifical to the club.
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Post by Jie on Jan 18, 2015 13:59:13 GMT
People are quick to point out the negatives of the 352, just like the Dutch fans did at the World Cup. But where did they end up? 3rd with a squad of good, but not world class players. Same thing with United now - we went 11 games unbeaten because of it...so in Van Gaal's eyes I can imagine why he would want to keep it. If it ain't broke...
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Post by Hammy on Jan 18, 2015 14:14:46 GMT
For me Jie it's not just about the 3-5-2. I remember a few years ago Guardiola playing Mourinhos Madrid with 3 at the back and destroying them 5-0. The next game against obviously lesser opposition he went back to a flat back four. It's all about flexibility. VG doesn't have a flexible bone in his body. How we played a 3-5-2 against Yeovil is waaaaaaay beyond me. Playing defensive against a side about a zillion places below us was a complete embarrassment. I agree in some of the bigger games it could be a system we could use but to use it game after game against any team just shouldn't be in our vocabulary.
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Post by Nemanja79 on Jan 18, 2015 14:15:00 GMT
In van Gaal's defense, how about this?
He's sticking with 3-5-2 because he doesn't trust his defence enough, after results in the first part of the season compared to the second part of the same season?
Maybe I'm mad but it's the only reason I could possibly see why he so stubbornly persists with it. I think we all agree that we are playing boring, unimaginative and slow football with the abilities of players we have but I'm sure he would change all that in a split second if he could.
Maybe he wanted to give one last chance to some players and let them express themselves but that isn't working out as we all see. Maybe he would buy right now couple of new defenders and midfielders if he has a chance but they are unavailable at the moment and he needs to use what he possess.
I can see us spending big in the summer again, he's not shy of that and the money is not a problem. The trouble is, what he needs to do right now.
Go...
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Post by Nemanja79 on Jan 18, 2015 14:16:13 GMT
For me Jie it's not just about the 3-5-2. I remember a few years ago Guardiola playing Mourinhos Madrid with 3 at the back and destroying them 5-0. The next game against obviously lesser opposition he went back to a flat back four. It's all about flexibility. VG doesn't have a flexible bone in his body. How we played a 3-5-2 against Yeovil is waaaaaaay beyond me. Playing defensive against a side about a zillion places below us was a complete embarrassment. I agree in some of the bigger games it could be a system we could use but to use it game after game against any team just shouldn't be in our vocabulary. MK Dons painful memories to not repeat?
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Post by Splendid Spy on Jan 18, 2015 14:22:12 GMT
For me Jie it's not just about the 3-5-2. I remember a few years ago Guardiola playing Mourinhos Madrid with 3 at the back and destroying them 5-0. The next game against obviously lesser opposition he went back to a flat back four. It's all about flexibility. VG doesn't have a flexible bone in his body. How we played a 3-5-2 against Yeovil is waaaaaaay beyond me. Playing defensive against a side about a zillion places below us was a complete embarrassment. I agree in some of the bigger games it could be a system we could use but to use it game after game against any team just shouldn't be in our vocabulary.
Absolutely spot on! I love you! That's what i call a mouthwatering post. get it Doc?
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Post by Hammy on Jan 18, 2015 14:38:28 GMT
Who's calling for his head(besides Hammy)? People are just pissed off with this 352 bollox. Maybe you took my fuck off back to German or Spain with your boring, predictable anti football comment out of context :lol: I'll say now that the comment was made in the heat of the moment and (at least for the moment) I'm not calling for his head. What I do want to say is with the talent he has at his disposal we should be seeing a vast improvement on last season. Improvement yes we have seen but nothing to write home about. One question I do have. If we fail to qualify for the CL, playing this boring football we're seeing at the moment would people still want him as manager next season? On the other side of the coin if we start to play attractive football and qualify for the CL I wouldn't have any problem in having VG as manager. I really don't have anything personal against him.
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Post by Jie on Jan 18, 2015 14:39:22 GMT
For me Jie it's not just about the 3-5-2. I remember a few years ago Guardiola playing Mourinhos Madrid with 3 at the back and destroying them 5-0. The next game against obviously lesser opposition he went back to a flat back four. It's all about flexibility. VG doesn't have a flexible bone in his body. How we played a 3-5-2 against Yeovil is waaaaaaay beyond me. Playing defensive against a side about a zillion places below us was a complete embarrassment. I agree in some of the bigger games it could be a system we could use but to use it game after game against any team just shouldn't be in our vocabulary. Well, that's two games now that he's switched to a back four. I think that shows that he is flexible enough. I don't think he intended us to play defensively against Yeovil but we were outmuscled in just about every position on the pitch.
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