What will happen if we fail to get into the top 4?

I know what you mean, saw that too. I almost cried myself looking at his lost face when Hummels and Weidenfeller went to the fans at the end of the match vs Augsburg to calm them down. I like him a lot, his charisma and everything but was really shocked what's happening in Dortmund and at the same time pleased that we have van Gaal and not him in this moment in time. Don't know, maybe it was a blessing in disguise but I still believe he'll raise above all the problems they have. He's done that in the past and that's my main basis.

People have really short memories if they think we're not better off performance wise than we were last season. We're a far more solid side and we're controlling possession in most games. Have we all forgotten the amount of times we were dominated by the opposition last season? At this point last season we'd already lost 8 league games.

I am sure we will be able. It would take a total collapse on all fronts to stop us from doing that and it's just impossible, unless the big evil asteroid hits the Earth in the meantime. There's so much more about this club to even think about the players issue and their attracting to it.

However, the consequences of Sir Alex's retiring, losing all of the real leadership on and off the pitch in a short period of time and appointing the wrong person as a successor could not be a short term, which is my biggest worry. With all of them gone, it seems that all of the winning mentality has gone with them. Nothing can work without strong and entrenched mental strength. It's like that in life, it's no different in football either.

Professionals failing to execute the basic things are not due to formation or similar crap excuses, it's purely and only a psychological matter. I only hope we find the quickest and the least painful path out of that and not waiting for a decade or more which is very possible. You know, the next Sir Alex, Cantona, Roy Keane, Cristiano Ronaldo, Ryan Giggs, Paul Scholes, Nemanja Vidić, Rio Ferdinand..... are they even born yet? if they are, who are they and where are they? Who'll find them? All the questions without an answer.

What I know for sure is that this man have a confidence, belief and ideas how to. Whether he'll be able to pass it on to his players is another matter. I believe that the tubular oblong melon will get it right at the end.

If we miss out on CL football another season then LVG has to go imo. He hasn't showed enough to keep the job other than we are still 4th.

How can we trust him after spending this much money and cant even reach top 4 and how do we trust him with another so called 'war chest'. The football we play is terrible.

And he is too stubborn and arrogant.

The only thing that can save LVG if we miss out on CL football next season is there is no better candidate than him but if someone available than I think he will get the sack.

It wont bother me if his stubbornness doesn't hurt the team.

His 3-5-2, playing Rooney in the midfield, making Herrera to sit on the bench and playing RVP regardless of his form has hurt the team badly. 

I think everyone here made some solid points. There's no right or wrong in this kind of debate. In the end, we just want our club to do well and hopefully we will maintain our current position till the end of the season.

just wondering, will our position/seeding in the CL be affected if we fail to make it to the CL 2 years in a row? I know we will still be in pot 1 if we qualify for next year's CL but 2 years straight...will we drop to pot 2?

That's cruel. Missing a year in CL means we drop into pot 2? even though we were in every CL tournament since 96 and were in the finals and semis from 2006 until 2010 ?Who are ahead of us?