What will happen if we fail to get into the top 4?

I don't think LVG would lose his job, unless of course we lose a majority of our remaining game, against the big clubs, so much so that it becomes unbearable. But even then, who could replace him?

But indeed, I wonder what this would mean in terms of transfer, IN's and OUT's.

I think most of you know my feelings about VG so I say yes, he has to go
We're more than 2 thirds through the season and we're still looking as tactically inept as we did at the start. I don't care if we are missing key positions, with the players VG has at his disposal now we should be more aware as a team. I really think VG has underestimated the English game but I guess that's why he has an ex player like Giggs as his number 2. I'm obviously no psychologist but Giggs demeanour on the bench looks like he's thinking what the fuck am I doing here if you're not going to listen. Which has always been a big problem with VG.
I've no doubt that VG would do well in Europe but our bread and butter is the PL. With us now Long ball strategy is being too common, the players can't even pass the ball 10 yards, our movement is static, our attacking play stagnant and the list goes on. This is totally down to VG and his coaching staff.
Klopp would still be the best choice for me even though this season they are struggling by their standards but what would you expect with the amount of players they've lost season after season? And if it helps us sign players like Hummel's, Reus and Gundogan I'd sign on the dotted line right now.

I think he was given the money but for some reason he didn't spend it. I don't know if it was that players he wanted didn't want to play for him, Woody being the new in the job or something else but the fact is he didn't deliver them. Moyes was out of his depth, something I can't say for van Gaal just yet.

Moyes was good at Everton, there he was at home, not a big club, no big budget to scratch his head over it where to spend it and a fairly lower expectations compared to United's. He felt how it was under the huge pressure and he was badly exposed. He didn't fill anyone with confidence that he'll get it right eventually, players were in down the whole season, playing and mentally. He ruined their confidence, to some of them beyond repairable maybe.

Another thing, I don't believe that van Gaal has spent a 150m alone by himself, Herrera and Shaw were already in place and Falcao was Woody's last day big name signing. I'd put down to van Gaal only di Maria, Blind and Rojo and that's approx half the sum mentioned. He also advised Depay to stay this year at PSV and I can see him at the club next year, providing that van Gaal stays at the club.

It's fucking ludicrous to expect any of those new signings to have hit the ground running too. Ferguson's already said that, even he doesn't expect any of them to start shining till next season. And had he not had the injuries he had in the first half of the season the cohesion amongst the team would be significantly further on too.

Keep blowing it out of your arse Hammy, it's keeping me entertained, you're replacing Ole.

Last summer if we were asked to name a world X1 99% of us would of named Di Maria and Falcao. Rooney and RVP are some of the biggest names in football. Mata is one of the best in the PL at providing assists and scores his fair share of goals. Everyone of us can see how influential Herrera can be when he gets his chance which is normally down to when other people are injured. Are you trying to tell me that with these types of players at his disposal we cannot at least look like we know what we're doing?
I know we are going to hear the same old story of VG not trusting his CM and defense which really instills confidence but I'd be pretty confident of playing a decent game with Herrera and Blind sitting in the middle. VG has the players but he doesn't use them. Continually playing RVP for me shows VG isn't as strong as people think. Falcao is another case. Continually playing a fantastic striker in Rooney as a very average midfielder when we are crying out for a goal threat is another ludicrous decision.
I must admit being treated like a WUM when all I'm doing is stating the obvious is starting to get on my tits. Game after game I'm hearing everyone saying how shit we are playing but still VG can do no wrong. He may make it, he may not. Doesn't mean your opinion is more right/wrong than mine so I think it's time to bid the forum goodbye. Honestly can't be arsed anymore.

There's your first conflation and distortion of reality.

Falcao, pre injury, yes, considered world class in a European league context. After injury, your literally rolling a dice as to what player your going to get back and is also completely unproven in the English league. He's struggling 1) because he's coming back from injury 2) he's trying to get used to the physicality of the English game, which he's never had to deal with before.

It now looks as though this is the wrong league to make your comeback in. Woodward and VG rolled the dice and it hasn't quite paid off.

Di Maria, yes, at the top of his game with Madrid - a side also at the top of their game, including Ronaldo and a billion dollar squad to match. Di Maria also unproven in the BPL so has to get used to the physicality. He's an out and out flair player and like a striker, thrives on confidence and supply. Without the rest of the side making life easy for him he struggles and his head goes down.   This  team is literally the sum of it's parts atm.  You got parts missing,  then the sparkly bits don't shine as they should.


Where is your proof of this? Nothing I've seen from either of them suggest they are out and out energy driven CMs that can hassle, niggle,  fight and dominate - Blind is Carrick's long term replacement. Herrera has the best chance of doing that CM role but he's been caught out time after time 1) losing possession  which puts pressure on the rearguard (some of whom are also new to the club, first team and BPL)  2) getting carded unnecessarily because his natural instinct is to play in Rooney / Mata's preferred position  3) this league is completely new to him and he's getting to grips with the physicality (like the rest of them),  and 4) he got injured at the wrong time of the season which seems to have knocked him back.

Utter fantasy. He can't use what he doesn't have, get this through your skull.  :lol:


RVP has gone and I'd see him leave in the Summer - but VG doesn't have any other realistic options to play in that position. Yes, he could play Rooney up there along with Wilson but Wilson doesn't have the physicality yet for constant prime time action, and he should be used sparingly and blooded in over time like we do with all youngsters (including Janzai).  And take Rooney's energy and leadership out of midfield atm and you really will see the whole system grind to a halt. 


Again grow a brain and think about the system as a whole. Falcao we've dealt with and Rooney, as above, take that energy and leadership out of midfield and you'd see the whole system grinding down to a halt.   It's not good, but that's the reality of the situation.


Good, think things through before continually lashing out and sounding like a six year old who's not getting things his own way. Everyone knows we aren't playing well but there are underlying reasons for that that will be addressed in the Summer.  Like it or not, VG needs a balanced team out on the pitch that doesn't lose 3-0 every  week and if that means sacrificing the football we're used to seeing and sacrificing Rooney to the middle to get top four, then that's what he'll do whether you, or any other fan, likes it or not.

I'm not a fan of what we're watching atm but I understand the reasons why we've got what we've got, which is why I'm less likely to moan.


Strikermo said something a while ago about people still living in the Ferguson era, and he's right.  'bout time people snapped the fuck out of it and accepted we're not just a team in transition but also a club.

I've got no time for continually whiney fucking kids who know nothing. Suuuuuuuuuuure, have your baseless opinion and voice it, just don't keep going round propagating it in front of people like me, because I'm liable to piss on it.

And if he wants to storm off in a huff, then fuck him, he's not old enough for a public forum anyway.

Oh, and I do actually like him as a personality but that only cuts it so far.