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Post by Nemanja79 on Mar 10, 2015 8:45:02 GMT
This midfield trio, can it ever work, regardless of a role Fellaini gets?
If it can, when and where and what's needed for it to work? Against what type of midfields, domestically and internationally?
Personally, I don't get it.
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Post by Dave on Mar 10, 2015 9:07:36 GMT
Carrick didn't do to badly when coming on, he grew into it after looking a little rusty. Taking Herrera off just killed the momentum that we had from the first half, Arsenal had a few chances but you'd expect that from a decent side.
How often have the trio played together? Think it's a bit early to call, Fellaini did well last night taking the knock downs and caused them problems, Blind was a little sloppy and we know he isn't the quickest so what can you do, Van Gaal is obsessed with possession and control so maybe he felt we needed more of it so pulled Herrera.
I think last night just highlighted how much we need a high energy, relatively pacey box to box mid, Blind/Carrick aren't the most mobile so need some help, Herrera should be going forward and while Fellaini is good at his game he ultimately isn't good enough in other areas. I don't think this trio is going to be long term so not really worried. :-/
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Post by Nemanja79 on Mar 10, 2015 9:17:32 GMT
It's just so painfully slow. Fellaini has done well in some aspects but he's done almost if not more a bad things, fouling people out of any need, especially when they've lost the ball, hesitated to pass the ball quicker (one of our counters springs to mind when the audience went mental), receiving the ball on the chest very well but done nothing with it (accurate pass was missing again).
Blind looked more often than not in no mans land against their fast midfield. It was also noticeable that their midfielders are far technically superior, at least in this match.
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Post by Dave on Mar 10, 2015 9:34:34 GMT
That's his game though, you know what you will get, he isn't going to change that but at this point he is contributing and causing more problems than our other options.
How are they technically superior to Blind, again he is what he is, an intelligent, good with both feet solid passer of the ball that protects the back four. He's never going to be a world beater but he does his job and it is clear to see that Van Gaal has huge confidence in him. Personally I'd rather have a more mobile high energy midfield but we don't have the players for that bar Herrera and it remains to be seen whether we ever will.
I think the last few games, we've finally found a system that works just needs a little ironing out.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2015 10:07:28 GMT
Carrick - Blind - Fellaini
No. Carrick or Blind (and it's a fit Carrick atm). Fellaini needs to be sold or kept as wild card sub (which I'm against)
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Post by Nemanja79 on Mar 10, 2015 18:55:02 GMT
No. Carrick or Blind (and it's a fit Carrick atm). Fellaini needs to be sold or kept as wild card sub (which I'm against) Agree with that completely. van Gaal is forced to play him as a plan B. If it wasn't for that injury, he'd be sold last summer. Not a player to be part of the new born midfield, assuming it's our goal to have one finally. How are they technically superior to Blind, I said technically superior compared to our midfield, not Blind as a sole figure. Blind was alone there, expected to run the show from the center on his own. He is not a fecking Paul Scholes. |
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Post by Jie on Mar 11, 2015 11:49:30 GMT
I'm not sure I'd want to sell Fellaini. Ignoring last season, he has been one of our consistent players this season - the fact that he pushes and fouls people around is why Van Gaal is picking him imo. The PL is a very physical league and you need someone to counter that, because you can't rely on a lightweight like Mata or to do it, even if he is technically superior to Fellaini.
Depending on the opponent I'd have either Carrick or Blind, but noth both at the same time unless we're playing a high pressing, better than us side.
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Post by Nemanja79 on Mar 11, 2015 13:10:38 GMT
I'm not sure I'd want to sell Fellaini. Ignoring last season, he has been one of our consistent players this season - the fact that he pushes and fouls people around is why Van Gaal is picking him imo. The PL is a very physical league and you need someone to counter that, because you can't rely on a lightweight like Mata or to do it, even if he is technically superior to Fellaini. Depending on the opponent I'd have either Carrick or Blind, but noth both at the same time unless we're playing a high pressing, better than us side. I'm not sure about this. If that's the case, we could find anyone and pay him a couple of hundreds a week to do that and save millions just on Fellaini. If you use your physical strength you should use it wisely, not making unnecessary fouls every five minutes I think... |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2015 13:19:39 GMT
I think the main reason he uses Fellaini is because of the problem's he can cause in the opposition's area and because he's an outlet to our technically terrible defence when they're hoofing the ball forward.
On the topic of this thread, this midfield can't work and I'm sure Van Gaal knows that. As said previously it has to be 1 of Carrick/Blind with someone else, whether it be Herrera or Rooney. It really does highlight the reason the manager played Rooney a lot in midfield as the other options really aren't attractive, it also highlights how much a beast of a box-to-box central midfielder is our main priority this summer.
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Post by Nemanja79 on Mar 11, 2015 13:30:23 GMT
I think the main reason he uses Fellaini is because of the problem's he can cause in the opposition's area and because he's an outlet to our technically terrible defence when they're hoofing the ball forward. On the topic of this thread, this midfield can't work and I'm sure Van Gaal knows that. As said previously it has to be 1 of Carrick/Blind with someone else, whether it be Herrera or Rooney. It really does highlight the reason the manager played Rooney a lot in midfield as the other options really aren't attractive, it also highlights how much a beast of a box-to-box central midfielder is our main priority this summer. That's the post I completely agree with. It's just the problem about Fellaini is that he's basically a moving tree from the Harry Potter, can catch something here and there but is horrible in distribution. |
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Post by Jie on Mar 11, 2015 14:55:54 GMT
I'm not sure I'd want to sell Fellaini. Ignoring last season, he has been one of our consistent players this season - the fact that he pushes and fouls people around is why Van Gaal is picking him imo. The PL is a very physical league and you need someone to counter that, because you can't rely on a lightweight like Mata or to do it, even if he is technically superior to Fellaini. Depending on the opponent I'd have either Carrick or Blind, but noth both at the same time unless we're playing a high pressing, better than us side. I'm not sure about this. If that's the case, we could find anyone and pay him a couple of hundreds a week to do that and save millions just on Fellaini. If you use your physical strength you should use it wisely, not making unnecessary fouls every five minutes I think... Except we already spent 27m on him, why buy another one? Maybe if someone comes along and offers 20m for Fellaini - yes, but I doubt it. And he's not making so many unnecessary mistakes |
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Post by Nemanja79 on Mar 11, 2015 16:00:38 GMT
Except we already spent 27m on him, why buy another one? Maybe if someone comes along and offers 20m for Fellaini - yes, but I doubt it. And he's not making so many unnecessary mistakes Yeah, we did, a clusterfeck in it's best. 27 bloody millions on a moving tree, a week later his release clause of 23m has expired! I think he does, just watch again some of the matches, Arsenal particularly. They lose the ball, it comes in our legs, Fellaini makes a late foul. Stamps on the people, pushes them about and then standing still with raised shoulders, wondering how the naughty ref has awarded a foul against him. It just pissing me off to no end.  As I said earlier, he's doing some good things but that shouldn't be our standard, that's the main point. As for offloading him, Napoli was interested if I remember. |
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