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Post by Jie on Apr 24, 2015 12:38:43 GMT
That was honestly the first time I've heard of IMUSA, thought it was only MUST.
I was wondering about these two:
I don't really know what was the club policy on supporters group before and if that has changed.
The second part - priced out as in the tickets got more expensive? Because that was covered. And I don't think any business cares about you being a supporter from 2 or 20 years, it's not like I ask for a discount cause I've had a Samsung for the last 10 years.
I wonder what these organizations will do once the debt is paid
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2015 13:03:14 GMT
IMUSA just don't have as good a PR team as MUST.
To be fair they've got half a point about not engaging with fan groups, but that still hold a fans forum 4 times a year where representatives of different demographics are free to make their points. The avoid the actual fan groups because they've been trying to go to war with them for the last 10 years.
Supporters being priced out is a real thing, the question is where you lay your blame. Ticket prices went up by ~30% in the first 2 years for the takeover - however I've heard the first increase was already planned and sanctioned by the plc, whether that was true or not I've no idea. The question is how much they'd go up anyway? From 2001 to 2013 the average Premier League season ticket went up by 63%, United's went up by 59% and we now haven't had a price increase since 2011.
The one area where I can agree is the automated cup scheme, forcing season ticket holders to pay for cup tickets is what priced a lot of people out.
I have no problem with people's opinions on the Glazers, no matter how bad that opinion is, but what I can't stand about these fan groups is the way they talk as if they're a mouthpiece for the entire fanbase. Duncan Drasdo is the worst of the lot.
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Post by Jie on Apr 24, 2015 16:14:41 GMT
As long as you have a legitimate reason I'm fine with them too, just shouting out "Glazers out" doesn't really make sense. I don't pretend to know anything about the club's finances and ownership, but that's why we have you  Drasdo actually approached us a few times asking to promote his causes and events and I was like ummm.... nah. But yeah, like you said, chances are ticket prices were going to increase anyway. It's like arguing that we would have been better off with other owners than the Glazers - we'll never know. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2015 16:47:22 GMT
I don't give them any money so I don't really care who feeds the parasite any more. The money I used to spend I shoved into FC United, I'd rather watch that little kettle come to the boil, get far more enjoyment. Glazers can fuck off, die or not, it simply doesn't effect me because I don't let it. Simples.
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Post by Jie on Apr 25, 2015 11:29:05 GMT
You do watch United right?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2015 12:43:42 GMT
Me, I'm a third generation red, family originally from Salford, first game at four for me. Where the fuck are you from?? I played throughout the North West U18 leagues, had trials for MCFC at one point, played in the same youth side as David White and Paul Lake - wasn't good enough for that lot and United didn't even bother scouting their own backyard back then.
I Followed them home and away through teens and twenties, then just home, followed them right up until the takeover (had more than a few lean periods when things were tough, like most fans). I'm genetically indoctrinated to keep an eye on them, plus, LVG makes it even more interesting, me being a historical fan of the Dutch national side and whatnot.
But I'll be fucked if I'm handing over wads of cash to globalist parasites - I'll just wait till they've sucked what they want out and fuck off onto the next thing. Or, wait till the football bubble bursts in this country - which it will (and sooner the better for me) - and watch them move on. Club will still be there long after entities like that have gone.
You never know, things may even change in the future, we might even end up learning a thing or two from the German model (lmfao we will).
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2015 10:58:20 GMT
Massively respect you for sticking by your views, I can understand where you're coming from.
I don't really agree obviously but I'd rather talk about this with someone like you than someone with a green and yellow scarf draped over their megastore bag.
I like the commercialised world that football has become.
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Post by Jie on Apr 26, 2015 11:49:02 GMT
Me, I'm a third generation red, family originally from Salford, first game at four for me. Where the fuck are you from?? Good for you and what does where I'm from matter? |
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Post by Splendid Spy on Apr 26, 2015 11:52:28 GMT
Means you are not as passionate as he is Jie.  |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2015 13:00:57 GMT
No, it means I was brought up with it all, lived it all from birth, lived the changes. I grew up in the footballing culture of North West England, as well as it's politics and the wider politics of the country, it's part of who I am, cultural identity. etc, etc.
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Post by Jie on Apr 28, 2015 16:27:55 GMT
Once again, I don't see how that has anything to do with me or where I'm from.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2015 12:02:28 GMT
Club debt being restructured again.
New bond being issued will pay off current bond and restructure/reduce current loan.
Long and short of the story is that current debt will increase by around £40m but interest payment will reduce by around £6.5m a year and United will have more cash in the bank over the summer months.
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Post by StrikerMo on May 28, 2015 12:30:28 GMT
People are going to make a much bigger deal out of this than need be...
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2015 12:36:56 GMT
Do you get why the new bond issue will be due in 2 years?
Seems a bit weird to refinance and increase it but only change it's due date by 6 months.
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Post by StrikerMo on May 28, 2015 13:02:26 GMT
Yeah, it's a little strange; I'm not sure why they're doing it like that. I'd assume it was the only way they could significantly reduce the APR.
Full SEC release for anyone interested.
Manchester United Announces Refinancing of Senior Secured Notes
May 27, 2015 04:26 PM Eastern Daylight Time
MANCHESTER, England--(BUSINESS WIRE)--MU Finance plc, a subsidiary of Manchester United plc [NYSE:MANU], has today announced that it intends to issue a notice of redemption for all of its outstanding US dollar 8.375% notes due 2017 (the “2017 Notes”) on May 28, 2015. Funding for this bond redemption is to be provided by the issuance of new 3.79% Senior Secured Notes due 2027 (the “Notes”) to certain institutional investors. The Notes offering is expected to close on or about June 26, 2015, subject to satisfaction of customary closing conditions. In addition, MU Finance plc is entering into an amendment and restatement of its loan facility with Bank of America Merrill Lynch International Limited.
These transactions are expected to result in an interest reduction of approximately $10 million per year. On a pro forma basis, annual interest is expected to represent less than 4% of our fiscal year 2015 estimated revenue.
Our obligation to redeem any of the 2017 Notes on June 27, 2015 will be conditioned upon the completion of a financing transaction, including the Notes offering. This announcement does not constitute a notice of redemption for any of the 2017 Notes. The formal notices of redemption are being provided separately in accordance with the terms of the indenture governing the 2017 Notes.
The Notes are being offered and sold pursuant to an exemption from the registration requirements under Section 4(a)(2) of the Securities Act of 1933, as amended (the “Securities Act”), and Rule 506 of Regulation D promulgated thereunder. The Notes have not been registered under the Securities Act or applicable state securities laws. Accordingly, the Notes may not be offered or sold in the United States except pursuant to an effective registration statement or an applicable exemption from the registration requirements of the Securities Act and such applicable state securities laws.
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